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      a large percentage (not everyone before i get a load of people on my case) of part time trans folk seem to choose clothes which smack tacky porn star to be fair. Nylons standard, heels standard etc etc all in the name of being femme. I honestly think that maybe this is because they try and cram as much as they can into very rare and opportune moments so tend to go overboard. Maybe if they had more time to discover clothes that actually worked for them as an individual they might find a more natural and normal style. Something contemporary and genuinely femme, not a cross dressing fantasy if you like. I think clothes are important in presenting as femme, but theres so much more that a lot of part timers either overlook or are unable to do because of the barriers they have created for themselves. Barriers they dont, for whatever reason, want to break down. I'm speaking from personal experience.
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      Lol, but thats an event, and their dressed to impress :) They probably wear a bigger variety of things at home i'd bet, and less flamboyantly. Look at any club on a friday or saturday night, all the girls are wearing short skirts, dresses and heels.. :D
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      Mx Ashley said: ''a large percentage (not everyone before i get a load of people on my case) of part time trans folk seen to choose clothes which are tacky porn star to be fair. Nylons standard, heels standard etc etc all in the name of being femme. I honestly think that maybe this is because they try and cram as much as they can into very rare and opportune moments so tend to go overboard. Maybe if they had more time to discover clothes that actually worked for them as an individual they might find a more normal style. Something contemporary and genuinely femme, not a cross dressing fantasy if you like. I think clothes are important in presenting as femme, but theres so much more that a lot of part timers either overlook or are unable to do because of the barriers they have created for themselves which they dont, for whatever reason, want to break down. I like to think I'm speaking from personal experience''
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      I totally agree hun. When someone for example transitions full time, i'm sure they would wear more practical clothes as well, but i do still think that they might maintain a more classical traditional, certainly unmistakably feminine style on the whole, though not everyone of course.
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      we all want to look leggy and high heeled shoes look amazing, a item of beauty and one we all love, heels are the epitome of sexiness but are designed by the devil and can look ridiculous if they are crippling the wearer, to me the taller the better anyway.
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      Emily I am not sure that I agree with your comment below about trans women becoming the new traditional woman.....or the comment above about a classical traditional look (whatever that is?).

      "You talk about flats being back in fashion, which makes me think about how genetic women are dressing less and less femininely as time goes on. I almost feel that the trans woman is becoming the new traditional woman, who embraces and likes to embrace their femininity and thinks more the the classically traditional woman, which is what i think a lot of guys find attractive about trans women, but perhaps that's for another topic lol "

      I have a couple of theories about cross dressing and being transgendered which challenge that viewpoint.

      1. I think we as trans people dress from the era of our mothers or perhaps when we are teenagers. Most of us dress age inappropriately - hence 30 plus and upwards in very short skirts and high heels which is not particularly fashionable in 2015. We all have our own image of what is feminine and it doesn't seem to reflect what real women actually wear. Restrictive pencil skirts and tottering high heels are not a look that many women actually appear to like (its very 1950s when women were repressed and were "home makers" - they could not own property or have a bank account).

      2. Real women decide what they will wear and sometimes they wear skirts and dresses - but not often (outside a job where its the uniform). I was there in the 1970s when women fought for the right to wear trousers to work - since then they have taken over as they are more comfortable and practical. Almost 20 years ago I was working on a project with a Dutch woman of 25 - she didnt own a skirt or dress. I lived there for 20 years out of nearly 30 years outside the UK and saw the way fashion changed over that period.

      3. Transwomen and cross dressers really do not define what is femininity - real women do that and their fashions and what they wear change over time and reflects their increasing equality in western societies and the many fights they have won in that struggle - the original article in the Guardian is a demonstration of that.

      4. Admirers of transvestites, cross dressers and trans women of all kinds are only looking for the tarty look - short hemlines, stocking tops showing and high heels or boots with heels. Their goal is purely to have sex with us. Not a chosen look for many women, for obvious reasons.

      You are right fashion is a question of choice and most women have, in my view, opted for the western variation of Indian dress - loose fitting trousers or leggings with a top to mid thigh - for everyday wear. Yes they do wear heels and party dresses when they go to a club etc - they have a wide range of choices and use them.

      I do the same - I don't always wear the BB look, for daytime it's more practical but it's my default mode of dressing. In the past 20 years since I have been out as Pauline in both Holland (where the average height of a woman is is almost 6 foot) and in England I have changed my look many times in line with the way women dress (toned down as I am older now so extreme fashions are not appropriate full stop as certain colors also don't suit me).

      Do I still wear heels - sometimes, as I put in the opening thread of this forum, which was and is designed for comments. And I do happen to agree with Ashley that most of the trans community are fairly clueless at looking like women. That actually isn't important to them as some want to shock, many only get to dress at events like Sparkle, and most of the trans community is stuck in the closet.

      For those in transition like Ashley and others here and out there outside of the on line community the goal is to be accepted; that includes transwomen like me who will never live full time but choose to dress so as to blend in when I am out and about on an everyday basis.

      Do I get read - all the time; do I care - no. And I don't mind how people dress - that is their choice. But we as transwomen can never set the definitions of what femininity is - whatever we think in our minds we are or should be and however much we change our bodies and look great - we just can't.

      Pauline xxx

      PS the trans woman in the cream dress is me almost 20 years ago
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      Pauline not all admirers are looking at trans for sexual requirements!
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      Madam Sin,

      In my experience its a skewed Pareto principle, so instead of being 80:20 it's 90:10.

      That's with meeting admirers in 2 countries since 2001.

      Very few want friendship or to play ping pong or patta cake.

      Pauline xxx
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      I recently read that you can find your ideal heel height by sitting comfortably in a chair so the back of your legs are fully supported and then lifting your legs until they are straight forward with feet relaxed. Now the angle your feet make will give your ideal heel height. My wife and I tried it and it was quite close. My wife said she would be happy wearing that height heels provided the shoe had some good insole support. Otherwise she'd opt for lower. But this is someone who worked as an infant school teacher so spent all day of her feet or bobbing down to their level.
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      Most women admirers are emotional, and most men admirers are sexual
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      I'm sexual as fuck right now baby, asl?
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      oh yes and regards to this thread its a what Pauline said
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      Pauline , its amazing how little the trans community have changed their style of cloths and hair since that photo was taken !! this does imply the rational that most trans gurls still look to stereo type themselves with this style . I think you all look rather cool !!
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      Alana,

      That was a group of Dutch friends at a TransEssex (now Trans Living) Christmas event in 1998. I was the only non real Dutchie - most of the others are from the area around Eindhoven. At least 2 maybe 3 have transitioned, one got the Dutch equivalent to an OBE for services to the transgender community (sadly she died in 2009). They were great people.

      3 of us traveled by plane from Amsterdam to Stanstead - the others came in a car and van via the ferry and all of that group traveled as trans women.

      I know many of us changed the way we dressed in the years since then, and it's interesting that few of us wore high heels...lol, maybe as most of them were taller than me.


      Pauline xxx
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      to be fair Alana you are right, so right in fact the lady crouched down in the middle of the front row is a dead ringer for you friend Devon :)
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      OMG !! I was going to say the same thing about the gurl looking like a dead ringer for Devon .Well spotted Ashley !!
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      Pauline Smith said: ''Emily I am not sure that I agree with your comment below about trans women becoming the new traditional woman.....or the comment above about a classical traditional look (whatever that is?).

      "You talk about flats being back in fashion, which makes me think about how genetic women are dressing less and less femininely as time goes on. I almost feel that the trans woman is becoming the new traditional woman, who embraces and likes to embrace their femininity and thinks more the the classically traditional woman, which is what i think a lot of guys find attractive about trans women, but perhaps that's for another topic lol "

      I have a couple of theories about cross dressing and being transgendered which challenge that viewpoint.

      1. I think we as trans people dress from the era of our mothers or perhaps when we are teenagers. Most of us dress age inappropriately - hence 30 plus and upwards in very short skirts and high heels which is not particularly fashionable in 2015. We all have our own image of what is feminine and it doesn't seem to reflect what real women actually wear. Restrictive pencil skirts and tottering high heels are not a look that many women actually appear to like (its very 1950s when women were repressed and were "home makers" - they could not own property or have a bank account).

      2. Real women decide what they will wear and sometimes they wear skirts and dresses - but not often (outside a job where its the uniform). I was there in the 1970s when women fought for the right to wear trousers to work - since then they have taken over as they are more comfortable and practical. Almost 20 years ago I was working on a project with a Dutch woman of 25 - she didnt own a skirt or dress. I lived there for 20 years out of nearly 30 years outside the UK and saw the way fashion changed over that period.

      3. Transwomen and cross dressers really do not define what is femininity - real women do that and their fashions and what they wear change over time and reflects their increasing equality in western societies and the many fights they have won in that struggle - the original article in the Guardian is a demonstration of that.

      4. Admirers of transvestites, cross dressers and trans women of all kinds are only looking for the tarty look - short hemlines, stocking tops showing and high heels or boots with heels. Their goal is purely to have sex with us. Not a chosen look for many women, for obvious reasons.

      You are right fashion is a question of choice and most women have, in my view, opted for the western variation of Indian dress - loose fitting trousers or leggings with a top to mid thigh - for everyday wear. Yes they do wear heels and party dresses when they go to a club etc - they have a wide range of choices and use them.

      I do the same - I don't always wear the BB look, for daytime it's more practical but it's my default mode of dressing. In the past 20 years since I have been out as Pauline in both Holland (where the average height of a woman is is almost 6 foot) and in England I have changed my look many times in line with the way women dress (toned down as I am older now so extreme fashions are not appropriate full stop as certain colors also don't suit me).

      Do I still wear heels - sometimes, as I put in the opening thread of this forum, which was and is designed for comments. And I do happen to agree with Ashley that most of the trans community are fairly clueless at looking like women. That actually isn't important to them as some want to shock, many only get to dress at events like Sparkle, and most of the trans community is stuck in the closet.

      For those in transition like Ashley and others here and out there outside of the on line community the goal is to be accepted; that includes transwomen like me who will never live full time but choose to dress so as to blend in when I am out and about on an everyday basis.

      Do I get read - all the time; do I care - no. And I don't mind how people dress - that is their choice. But we as transwomen can never set the definitions of what femininity is - whatever we think in our minds we are or should be and however much we change our bodies and look great - we just can't.

      Pauline xxx

      PS the trans woman in the cream dress is me almost 20 years ago''
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      I cant say i agree with what you said either Pauline, but thats fine, we're all entitled to our opinions and accept we can tend to have different ones. What i meant by classical traditional, i meant an overtly feminine way of dressing with a clear female style, unlike the unisex style that a lot of genetic women seem to have adopted nowadays.

      I cant say i agree with your first point, as i personally dress nothing like how my mother did, but the pencil skirts etc you raised is exactly what i was referring to about looking classically female. A lot of women may not dress like that any more, though i'm not sure i agree, seeing as pencil skirts and dresses are still very big, being made and selling well, and its unlikely to be just from trans girl sales, so perhaps i would say otherwise, but what i do know for certain, is that a lot of men do seem to like it when women, cd's, ts's wear those kind of overtly female things, that has been pretty much a constant in what i have experienced and been told guys like, by guys.

      I respectfully couldn't disagree more with your third point. In my opinion, cd's and ts's define femininity far more than a lot of born females generally do these days, and that is precisely what i meant when i said that the trans girl is becoming the new woman in society, certainly the kind of classical woman many men like and desire.

      4. While i acknowledged that there are people like that, i think you are doing many people a disservice there by describing it as the norm without considering the other. Not everyone is only out for and interested only in sex and the purely sexual look, a lot of people want what most people want, someone that looks nice and dresses in outside appropriate clothes, likes chatting to someone and wants to get to know them better and likes their personality and looks for what any other person looks for in a potential partner and talks how they would talk to of someone of the opposite sex. Just because someone's a cd, its doesn't mean it has to be cheap and not classy, not that i'm saying if that's what they want to do, and some do of course. Perhaps that's a distinction between cd's and ts's, as ts's are not in it for the clothes but its about how they feel and who they feel they are inside, but even then, i wouldn't want to generalise, be it cd or ts as i would say that's also an individual thing.

      I just think its dangerous when we start generalising or stereotyping about people as a whole, because everyone's different and an individual, and i also think its not good if we start telling people what they can and can't wear because of how they were born, and i would think that tv's and Ts's would appreciate that more than most, being in the body that society has deemed unsuitable for certain kinds of clothing, who are dictated to by society what the genders should and shouldn't be wearing.. For example a short cd might look bad in heels compared to someone else of the same height, and the same foe someone taller, one person might look great, while another might not, but we can't spend our lives worrying about what an individual might be thinking about what looks good or not good on you, unless they were your partner perhaps, and perhaps not even then, its an individual thing you can't just apply to a blanket group, because its just not that simple, and lets face it, life rarely is lol :)

      Its certainly an interesting topic with some interesting viewpoints.. xx
      This post was edited by Emily B at August 1, 2015 5:15 PM BST
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      Alana, Ashley

      The lady you are referring to - who looks like Devon - is Yvonn (that's how you spell it in Dutch). She is the one that died from bowel cancer. Fabulous person - she worked for Phillips and was part of the team that designed the cool skin electric razor (she lent it to me to try that weekend).

      Mainly though Yvonn was famous in Holland for running the the LKG T&T (Landelijke Kontact Groep voor Transsexuelle en Travestie - National Group for transgendered people) at the branch in Eindhoven. She took attendances there from less than 10 to regularly 100 at their monthly meetings (saturday night) and for special parties like Xmas and summer BBQ it was usually over 300 and you had to book. Her wife and children helped run it and were there as greeters; and many Tgirls brought wives and partners and families. That's why she got the Order of Oranje (Dutch OBE) - the first trans person in Holland to get it.

      She was taller than me so taller than Devon and was a huge help to me in coming out. That weekend trip to Essex was the first time i had been out in England as Paulien (as they all called me - and yes we all spoke Dutch together).

      Paulientje (little Paulien in Dutch) xxxx
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      What a lovely story to tell Pauline ! such a shame she was taken so early in her life , but what a fantastic legacy to leave for all the others to follow in her foot steps !! It would seem it is not only her looks that are very similar to Devon !!!
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      Lets be honest about who defines femininity - it's males, at least as far as the dating game is concerned. It's taken some time to get to the point where I'm wearing what I feel comfortable in and its not dictated by the trans people around me. It's close to what my wife feel good in. I still have the short skirts and the high heels but they're reserved for clubbing when I'm not acting my age!

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